Robert Best

Unfortunately, we're almost out of time, but I have got one final question, which is we've agreed that the destination of self-sufficiency with clean energy is a very attractive destination, right?

Why...

is it so apparently politically unpopular?

And what does any government do about it?

I mean, obviously there are, you know, people within the Green Party, people in the Labour Party who believe in all of this stuff.

But that's, you know, where... The government is currently massively on the defensive, right?

I mean, all the debate...

in energy that seems to matter at all in this government is should they open up the North Sea more or not, right?

Which, you know, from the point of view of the big prize is sort of neither here nor there.

I mean, I understand why it's politically an issue at the moment, but actually in the context of our energy needs, it's sort of trivial.

And the big...

The big goal ought to be to stop, whether it's Putin or Trump, being able to blow up our economy, which they do when they embark on these wars because of our dependence on imported energy.

So if you were prime minister, how would you sell this?

People are not, particularly politicians, don't appear to be rewarded for nuance these days.

Leadership.

That's what we need.

Anyway, we've been trying on this with this conversation to get the facts and information out there.

Well, let's see if, you know, let's see if Rest Is Money listeners feel, you know, happier, more confident about the transition.

Yeah, my favourite subject, as you probably worked out.

Emma, as always, very good to see you.