Robert Diament

It's really interesting to think about her interest in telling stories as well.

And I heard that drawings were often the place that she would explore different stories.

And she would even request from you and your sisters, like, if you'd come to see her in the studio, she'd be like, have you got any stories you can tell me?

I always saw your mum and also your dad as kind of very brave in a way, almost like explorers.

And I know your dad described the role of an artist to you.

You've written a really beautiful essay for the new catalogue that's coming with the show at Victoria Mirror about drawings.

But it was this idea of them kind of as adventurers or explorers.

And I was thinking about how brave your mum was in many ways.

But she was encouraged to go to the Slade, to leave Portugal by her father and her family.

They were actually quite supportive of the idea of her being an artist.

But he knew that she couldn't do that in the country where she'd been born and raised, that she had to go out into the world and explore.

And maybe that was London or maybe it was somewhere else.

So do you think she had that within her, this kind of like bravery?

Or do you think it was really encouraged by her father?

Because I thought that was such a beautiful thing.

Really?

Right.

I was really interested as well, thinking about somebody who grows up in one country and then you move to another country.

And when you're an artist in particular, making work in a different culture, you can kind of look back and have a different perspective on the society you grew up in.

Because in a way, you've been freed from it, like you're no longer living that everyday experience anymore.