Robert Diament

But I love that work, just summing up this idea.

Which probably keeps her going.

Like, you know what I mean?

Like it keeps it going.

That almost like that insecurity, that position means that you never stop because you're always trying to investigate or do more.

No.

Well, it's so unhelpful to think you're a genius.

People start getting success and they get told they're great and then it kills the art or it kills their music or whatever it might be.

He gave a lot of people bad reviews.

Even her success and all that stuff, like she cared so much about all these pictures she was making that it was such a vulnerable place to be because you're putting them out in the world to have criticism.

Or if she doesn't feel like it's successful enough as an image, you know, the idea of failure or something.

It's like this constant thing going on all the time through the world.

She was terrified.

So we ask every guest, this has been amazing, by the way.

Thank you so much for being so generous.

We ask every guest three questions at the end.

One is if you could do an imaginary art heist, what work would you take home and why?

Maybe in relationship to your mum's works, perhaps, as we're so focused and surrounded by her right now.

Oh, really?

Why mustard?