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Robert Evans

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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

that he's talking in 2015 about, like, editing human genes to make designer babies. This all leads directly to the most fucked up thing about Dr. George Church, which is how often he winds up, shall we say, tugging at the fringes of outright eugenics, right? Oh.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Yeah, in a 2019 interview for CBS with Scott Pelley, Church talks about his goal, which is framed in the article as to protect humans from viruses, genetic diseases, and aging. In the interview, George talks about age reversal, which he says has been proven about eight ways in animals. Now... It hasn't. Right? And that's a really vague statement for a scientist to make.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Yeah, in a 2019 interview for CBS with Scott Pelley, Church talks about his goal, which is framed in the article as to protect humans from viruses, genetic diseases, and aging. In the interview, George talks about age reversal, which he says has been proven about eight ways in animals. Now... It hasn't. Right? And that's a really vague statement for a scientist to make.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Yeah, in a 2019 interview for CBS with Scott Pelley, Church talks about his goal, which is framed in the article as to protect humans from viruses, genetic diseases, and aging. In the interview, George talks about age reversal, which he says has been proven about eight ways in animals. Now... It hasn't. Right? And that's a really vague statement for a scientist to make.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And I want to know, what are the eight ways? What do you mean by proven? Right? These are all the questions that aren't answered.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And I want to know, what are the eight ways? What do you mean by proven? Right? These are all the questions that aren't answered.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And I want to know, what are the eight ways? What do you mean by proven? Right? These are all the questions that aren't answered.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Right, and there's like turtles that may basically live forever if they're not killed by something, right? Like there's some tortoises that are like 300 years old, right? And there's some other species where it may be a similar thing where like they kind of only die if something gets them. Yeah. Yeah.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Right, and there's like turtles that may basically live forever if they're not killed by something, right? Like there's some tortoises that are like 300 years old, right? And there's some other species where it may be a similar thing where like they kind of only die if something gets them. Yeah. Yeah.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Right, and there's like turtles that may basically live forever if they're not killed by something, right? Like there's some tortoises that are like 300 years old, right? And there's some other species where it may be a similar thing where like they kind of only die if something gets them. Yeah. Yeah.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

But that doesn't mean you can't just like maybe there will be some sort of life extension secrets in that animal. But maybe it's just different enough from us that like there's no way to transfer that to human beings. He's saying that we have proved how to reverse age in animals. Right. That we have done it using science. And that should be a falsifiable statement.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

But that doesn't mean you can't just like maybe there will be some sort of life extension secrets in that animal. But maybe it's just different enough from us that like there's no way to transfer that to human beings. He's saying that we have proved how to reverse age in animals. Right. That we have done it using science. And that should be a falsifiable statement.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

But that doesn't mean you can't just like maybe there will be some sort of life extension secrets in that animal. But maybe it's just different enough from us that like there's no way to transfer that to human beings. He's saying that we have proved how to reverse age in animals. Right. That we have done it using science. And that should be a falsifiable statement.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

But he doesn't give much more detail there. I did find an article for the Center for Genetics and Society that attempts to reverse engineer his claim. And they're like, he is almost surely overselling this. But they suspect one of the proven cases he's talking about here is a study about gene therapy for mitral valve disease in mice, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

But he doesn't give much more detail there. I did find an article for the Center for Genetics and Society that attempts to reverse engineer his claim. And they're like, he is almost surely overselling this. But they suspect one of the proven cases he's talking about here is a study about gene therapy for mitral valve disease in mice, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

But he doesn't give much more detail there. I did find an article for the Center for Genetics and Society that attempts to reverse engineer his claim. And they're like, he is almost surely overselling this. But they suspect one of the proven cases he's talking about here is a study about gene therapy for mitral valve disease in mice, right?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And it's a study that showed that by editing some genes, you can fix like mitral valve disease in mice. Now, that's important and may have some really crucial implications for science, may allow us to extend a lot of people's lives, right? I'm not saying that that's not good science. It's not age reversal, right? That's curing a valve disease, right? It's not exactly the same thing.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And it's a study that showed that by editing some genes, you can fix like mitral valve disease in mice. Now, that's important and may have some really crucial implications for science, may allow us to extend a lot of people's lives, right? I'm not saying that that's not good science. It's not age reversal, right? That's curing a valve disease, right? It's not exactly the same thing.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And it's a study that showed that by editing some genes, you can fix like mitral valve disease in mice. Now, that's important and may have some really crucial implications for science, may allow us to extend a lot of people's lives, right? I'm not saying that that's not good science. It's not age reversal, right? That's curing a valve disease, right? It's not exactly the same thing.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

You'll get older. It's just like, you'll be this problem with your heart. We might be able to fix with gene editing. And obviously like, is it possible given enough time that we will be able to extend human life enough that we keep extending it? It's not impossible. I'm not saying, I don't think it's necessarily likely because there's a lot of shit you'd have to figure out.