Robert Evans

One's a lie.

I can't think of why Agnes would have lied about this.

I can think of a lot of reasons why Jimmy would.

Now, Agnes did later write to the Catholic Church urging for the beatification of Margaret Sinclair.

But again, this is just a very different story.

His family was very poor growing up, although not unusually.

They were like the normal level of poor for the town that they lived in.

So it's not like a...

He was the poor kid in town and had to watch all of these other kids who had more.

It was this is England in like the 20s and 30s.

And he lives in like the north in a mining town.

Everybody's broke.

Nobody has money then.

Yeah.

Now, again, he was the youngest of seven and he was an accident.

His mom's like 40 when she has him, which is I mean, that's an old pregnancy today, especially in like the 20s.

That's fairly uncommon.

And he was dubbed he claims the family's not again child.

That's the term he uses of like they were like, oh, this was we really can't ever let this happen again.

And he's going to grow up with a chip on his shoulder about this.