Robert Evans

Like, everybody is like, no, Phil is the worst of all of them.

Like, you know, everybody in the building hates him.

Nobody trusts him.

He gets a reputation for just being, like, the dude that would show up all the time and just, like, jump in on things and take control and all that stuff.

People don't like him.

So one of the most important relationships Spectre formed during this New York period was with legendary songwriting production doer Jerry Lieber and Mike Stoller.

Lieber and Stoller were already giants of the early rock and rhythm and blues era and were responsible for shaping hits for artists like Elvis Presley, The Coasters, like numerous other artists.

They were architects of the modern producer model, combining songwriting and arrangement and studio direction into a single creative authority.

At this point, like music is changing really fast.

at this point because the technology is changing, the way that people operate is changing.

It went from being like, oh, this is a band that plays this music to now we got a creative team, all these people are writing this stuff.

And also too, this is really important, this is the first time in musical history that music goes from being marketed to adults to being marketed to teenagers, right?

Oh, yeah.

Because prior to this, there has never been teenagers with money.

Teenagers just didn't have- Right, they weren't an economic force.

As a teenager, you were just working in the mines and handing money to your parents so that they could buy starvation with it.

Yeah, so you could afford to starve to death.

So this is the first time in all of recorded history, basically, that teenagers become a market, right?

And this is really important to this whole overview of where the money comes from and how they market to things and how they even write a song.

So it went from being like, okay, a band does all this to like,