Robert Gott

which is fascinating.

Yeah, well, for an easy read, I think Robert Harris, his Cicero novels and also his Pompeii novel is great.

But I'd like to bring a word for an Australian crime novelist or thriller writer, mystery writer, who no one really reads very much anymore.

His name is Marshall Brown.

He died in 2014 and he wrote many novels, but two of the novels he wrote were set in Germany in the 1930s and they are a proper masterclass in how to construct a thriller.

One of them is called The Eye of the Abyss and its sequel was called The Iron Heart.

And if people can get a hold of those, they're a great, great read.

He deserves more attention.

Marshall Brown, yes.

I think, yeah.

And why not?

And Sebastian Barry's A Long, Long Way.

That is the most heartbreaking novel I think I have ever read in my entire life.

If you read that novel and you're not just a heap of tears and mucus at the end of it, you're not human.

Oh, it's a marvellous book.

Absolutely marvellous.

Four of us, myself, Jock Sorong, Emma Viskic and Solari Gentle have got an Australia Council grant, which is very generous of them, thank you, to go to the United States to bring Australian crime to the Americans.

Well, Australian crime fiction.

I have no plans for antisocial behaviour.

So you're not bringing Australian crime?