Robert Gudmestad

But then they're also charging more.

So they're more exclusive.

Right.

So on those boats, if you're in cabin passage, you could argue that it was a glamorous experience.

Although by our standards, it's not glamorous.

I mean, your toilet facility, you don't have running water.

Sure.

So you're using...

Right.

Chamber pot.

natchez in july on one of these boats it's probably got to be 80 degrees in one of those cabins yeah right you know so by our standards it's not glamorous by their standards it was glamorous but then of course you have like ratty old boats these are what they were described as at the time these are the ones that are kind of the super eight of the steamboat world interesting you know they're

Coal and wood.

Wood, yeah.

For the most part, it's more wood than coal because wood is cheaper and it's more available, especially south of...

St.

Louis and Cincinnati.

Right.

There's more coal up in, you know, around Pittsburgh area.

Sure.

You know, it's a lot of Americans know and in Kentucky.