Robert Johnson

with MAPS and Lycos, this big company that has been a nonprofit since 1986 when MDMA was criminalized trying to make MDMA an approved drug.

And so similar to cannabis, right?

I was 25 starting in cannabis.

I would roll out the old lady with cancer into the city council meetings and petition like, hey, this

This lady, she really needs a glaucoma, whatever it is.

It's really a bipartisan, supported thing if you have a veteran with PTSD, someone suffering from an end-of-life illness, right?

Now, you know, politicians on both sides of the aisle want to be sympathetic to that.

Totally.

But then I think once you're medical, then a few years later, people are just like, well...

seems like everybody could benefit from this.

If it's less harmful than alcohol and tobacco and all these other things that we take for granted and use every day, then maybe we should rethink

you know, all these years of prohibition.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I think, you know, all the negative studies about MDMA have then later been found to be mistakes or accidents.

There was one right around the turn of the century where, you know, raves and ecstasy were very popular.

And the Food and Drug Administration did a study on, you know, rats' brains with MDMA and came out with all these deleterious effects.

and published their research.

They spent a few million dollars on this, by the way.

And then a few weeks later, they're like, oh, shoot, we switched the samples with crystal meth.