Robert Kiner

And Ray Waltz's testimony could not have been further from the truth. We may have asked for a mistrial at that point, if the judge was going to allow that, that we cancel everything that's happened up to now and start all over at some point if we have to. But Clearly, the state did not follow the discovery deadline. We were completely disadvantaged at that point.

And Ray Waltz's testimony could not have been further from the truth. We may have asked for a mistrial at that point, if the judge was going to allow that, that we cancel everything that's happened up to now and start all over at some point if we have to. But Clearly, the state did not follow the discovery deadline. We were completely disadvantaged at that point.

But the judge, in all his wisdom and kindness, gave us the weekend to, he said, we'll allow you, if you would like, to find your own expert, if you wish, to counter what Agent Rawolf is going to say. So here we are facing a weekend looking for someone who had this type of experience and training.

But the judge, in all his wisdom and kindness, gave us the weekend to, he said, we'll allow you, if you would like, to find your own expert, if you wish, to counter what Agent Rawolf is going to say. So here we are facing a weekend looking for someone who had this type of experience and training.

We left court that afternoon, went back to our, I think it was the Sharon Inn at the time, and we just started making phone calls. And eventually called the University of Vermont asking if they had any professors who were might be able to shed some light on this. I know he was a professor. His name was Fred Magdoff.

We left court that afternoon, went back to our, I think it was the Sharon Inn at the time, and we just started making phone calls. And eventually called the University of Vermont asking if they had any professors who were might be able to shed some light on this. I know he was a professor. His name was Fred Magdoff.