Robert Krulwich

You can just listen some more.

See, it just starts to slowly evolve.

A little bit.

Bit by bit.

And it just keeps doing that for 45 minutes.

I mean, it's broken into tracks, but it's really just one long thing.

Tiny, tiny shifts.

Come on, you don't find that groovy at all?

Yeah, no, I do.

Actually, I do.

So these guys basically went from free improv, no rules, to becoming like human machines.

Yeah, I mean, I think what it's trying to do is to get you into a different state of mind.

Like a different state of time.

That experience of time that is non-narrative.

Where you're sort of existing in time, not in a sort of regular story way where everything leads to the next thing, beginning, middle, and end.

Something else.

What Amino and I often talk about is the idea of quantum states of time.

And I think what he means, what I take it to mean, is something very ancient in a way.

Like, you know how I mentioned that they were listening to West African and Moroccan trance music?

What you have in a lot of that music...