Robert Licciardi

I'm serving a subpoena. Grand jury to the death of Jack Luchardi. The date is 10-17-94. The time is 3-20 p.m. We're at the intersection of Orange and Willow. Mr. Luchardi, did you understand that this grand jury subpoena commands your appearance? Yes, I did. Okay. Do you understand? Failure to attend will be damned guilty of contempt of court and you can be arrested. Understand?

I'm serving a subpoena. Grand jury to the death of Jack Luchardi. The date is 10-17-94. The time is 3-20 p.m. We're at the intersection of Orange and Willow. Mr. Luchardi, did you understand that this grand jury subpoena commands your appearance? Yes, I did. Okay. Do you understand? Failure to attend will be damned guilty of contempt of court and you can be arrested. Understand?

I had no idea you guys were police officers. Okay, we thought you were stopping. Okay, this is your copy. Okay? Here's the room you're supposed to report to. Okay?

I had no idea you guys were police officers. Okay, we thought you were stopping. Okay, this is your copy. Okay? Here's the room you're supposed to report to. Okay?

First we have to come to understanding that, you know, none of us know exactly what happened.

First we have to come to understanding that, you know, none of us know exactly what happened.

I was paranoid. I suffer from bipolar disorder.

I was paranoid. I suffer from bipolar disorder.

Yeah, I'm not sure where all that came from. I really, I'm not sure. I can't really say.

Yeah, I'm not sure where all that came from. I really, I'm not sure. I can't really say.

At page 116, line 15, Michael testifies that he received a $200,000 bonus from Corvette Company in 1990. That statement could not be farther from the truth. In the summer of 1989, my father told me that Michael had stolen $200,000 from him by cashing a certificate of deposit without my father's knowledge.

At page 116, line 15, Michael testifies that he received a $200,000 bonus from Corvette Company in 1990. That statement could not be farther from the truth. In the summer of 1989, my father told me that Michael had stolen $200,000 from him by cashing a certificate of deposit without my father's knowledge.

Seven o'clock every night.

Seven o'clock every night.

They'd come over here and Robert would go and lay down because he wasn't sleeping at home, I understood. My daughter looked not like a very happy woman.

They'd come over here and Robert would go and lay down because he wasn't sleeping at home, I understood. My daughter looked not like a very happy woman.

And then he, just the way he was talking, I got concerned. We drove over there, and he wouldn't answer the door, and everything was locked up.

And then he, just the way he was talking, I got concerned. We drove over there, and he wouldn't answer the door, and everything was locked up.

had put the rabbits out. He'd put the cats out. He loved cats.

had put the rabbits out. He'd put the cats out. He loved cats.

He's got gas going in that house, and he's got all the windows shut. So we called 911, and the police came and the fire department.

He's got gas going in that house, and he's got all the windows shut. So we called 911, and the police came and the fire department.

Yes, he was suicidal.

Yes, he was suicidal.

Yeah, he could have blown up the house and everything around. The animals were put out on the porch. If the house went, the animals would have gone, but he thought he was protecting the animals.

Yeah, he could have blown up the house and everything around. The animals were put out on the porch. If the house went, the animals would have gone, but he thought he was protecting the animals.

I suffer from bipolar disorder.

I suffer from bipolar disorder.

As her mother recalls, And they were back together for quite a while because she still loved him like crazy.

As her mother recalls, And they were back together for quite a while because she still loved him like crazy.

One day she got it in the mail that for the final paper she was divorced. They had never, according to her, filed for divorce. They had filed for a legal separation.

One day she got it in the mail that for the final paper she was divorced. They had never, according to her, filed for divorce. They had filed for a legal separation.

I'm just not trained in any kind of rescue thing. That didn't even cross my mind.

I'm just not trained in any kind of rescue thing. That didn't even cross my mind.

I was in a state of shock. When you have an investigation like that against you.

I was in a state of shock. When you have an investigation like that against you.

I was, at the time, I was paranoid. You know, who do you trust?

I was, at the time, I was paranoid. You know, who do you trust?

As Annette's mom recalls, Have you ever seen a house after the police get through searching? It's horrible.

As Annette's mom recalls, Have you ever seen a house after the police get through searching? It's horrible.

Ask Steve Lapham, federal prosecutor, what kind of a guy Mike is. Look at the charges and see why he was thrown out of the family. He embezzled $200,000 from the company. Go see his trial on April or May 7th. Ask him these questions and get his reaction.

Ask Steve Lapham, federal prosecutor, what kind of a guy Mike is. Look at the charges and see why he was thrown out of the family. He embezzled $200,000 from the company. Go see his trial on April or May 7th. Ask him these questions and get his reaction.

And at that point, we lost our position of our farming operation. And so we were working with the federal government

And at that point, we lost our position of our farming operation. And so we were working with the federal government

They were trying to get other players, evidence against them.

They were trying to get other players, evidence against them.

Michael was being thrown out. Focus on him.

Michael was being thrown out. Focus on him.

He was really hurting because of what his one son did. He was cutting Michael out of the business.

He was really hurting because of what his one son did. He was cutting Michael out of the business.

I was at the time, I was paranoid.

I was at the time, I was paranoid.

You know, who do you trust?

You know, who do you trust?

Absolutely. Absolutely. He was miffed. You know, his firstborn son deceiving him. I think he was more mad that he was deceiving him than he was doing that with the graves. You know, this is a guy he wanted to groom for the business and everything, and then he did that to him at the scene.

Absolutely. Absolutely. He was miffed. You know, his firstborn son deceiving him. I think he was more mad that he was deceiving him than he was doing that with the graves. You know, this is a guy he wanted to groom for the business and everything, and then he did that to him at the scene.

What we wanted to do was try to protect our interests and separate ourselves from Michael.

What we wanted to do was try to protect our interests and separate ourselves from Michael.

It was just a regular day. I started to take care of my mother.

It was just a regular day. I started to take care of my mother.

and his neck looked out of place.

and his neck looked out of place.

That didn't even cross my mind.

That didn't even cross my mind.

I told my wife and called the paramedics.

I told my wife and called the paramedics.

He goes, there's cops everywhere and... You know, the corners outside.

He goes, there's cops everywhere and... You know, the corners outside.

At the time, I was paranoid. You know, who do you trust?

At the time, I was paranoid. You know, who do you trust?

Oh yeah, in the 80s, I took a lot of cocaine, but I was pretty much harming only myself.

Oh yeah, in the 80s, I took a lot of cocaine, but I was pretty much harming only myself.

Yeah, yeah. That way we can get some time in. Okay, we left off with the...

Yeah, yeah. That way we can get some time in. Okay, we left off with the...

It really was probably one of the stupidest things I ever did in my life.

It really was probably one of the stupidest things I ever did in my life.

They cut a guard's face all the way from his ear all the way down to his chin.

They cut a guard's face all the way from his ear all the way down to his chin.

I hooked up with the Catholic Church when I got there and studied monasticism.

I hooked up with the Catholic Church when I got there and studied monasticism.

Oh, I'm still open to that. I'm still open to all of that. I'm not going to turn my sisters or my brothers gone, but I wouldn't turn them away. First, we have to come to understanding that none of us know exactly what happened. I mean, they can point their finger at me, but were they there? Did they see me do anything wrong to anybody? No, they didn't because I didn't.

Oh, I'm still open to that. I'm still open to all of that. I'm not going to turn my sisters or my brothers gone, but I wouldn't turn them away. First, we have to come to understanding that none of us know exactly what happened. I mean, they can point their finger at me, but were they there? Did they see me do anything wrong to anybody? No, they didn't because I didn't.

He was found guilty. He's exactly where he should be right now. You know, and we like it that way.

He was found guilty. He's exactly where he should be right now. You know, and we like it that way.

I was never the same after that. Something in me went with my dad because we just had that type of relationship. And I just admired and respected him so much and I just expected him to be around, you know, for a longer time. I feel very cheated by my brother. by what he did. And I feel very angry sometimes at my other brother, Michael, for what he did to my dad, you know, before he passed away.

I was never the same after that. Something in me went with my dad because we just had that type of relationship. And I just admired and respected him so much and I just expected him to be around, you know, for a longer time. I feel very cheated by my brother. by what he did. And I feel very angry sometimes at my other brother, Michael, for what he did to my dad, you know, before he passed away.

But, you know, it's sad that it had to end the way that it did. And so I'm just finding peace within myself.

But, you know, it's sad that it had to end the way that it did. And so I'm just finding peace within myself.

And even though he could use a public defender... I didn't trust that the system would give me an attorney that would get everything that I needed on record. Because I thought for sure that, you know, since there was no physical direct evidence against me, the whole entire case is circumstantial.

And even though he could use a public defender... I didn't trust that the system would give me an attorney that would get everything that I needed on record. Because I thought for sure that, you know, since there was no physical direct evidence against me, the whole entire case is circumstantial.

My daughter had no money. We hired an attorney.

My daughter had no money. We hired an attorney.

I don't know what she knew, but she did what the attorney told her to do.

I don't know what she knew, but she did what the attorney told her to do.

They just, he got away with saying anything he wanted. He's taking money to Panama, he's doing this and that, and it just got to the point where it was just ridiculous.

They just, he got away with saying anything he wanted. He's taking money to Panama, he's doing this and that, and it just got to the point where it was just ridiculous.

I mean, because we know he did it. We're not going to we're not here to, you know, like quibble about it. I mean, we know he did it.

I mean, because we know he did it. We're not going to we're not here to, you know, like quibble about it. I mean, we know he did it.