Robert Pape

what's called vertically integrated, where what they're doing is building their own silicon chips.

So they took me to the chip factories.

So this would be a chip factory.

I went in, say, Wuhan, which is part of a laser, AI laser company.

So they have the AI lasers here that are doing all this special carving with lasers and AI.

But then they do their own chips.

So they took me to the chips where you've got to get all dressed in the suits because you can't have any spotty, any dirt that gets in.

And then they started to explain to me.

And they showed me that what's really happening here is you can't do this with BAs.

You've got to actually have masters in some of the chip business.

uh, assemblies here need to be done with PhDs because it's really very technical and very hand, very specific.

Uh, it's not just people turning widgets or, or screwdrivers like, uh,

Howard Letnick was describing a couple, about a year ago on a Sunday show.

This is a very different thing.

So you need to, you want to work very closely with universities.

So I'm coming back and I'm looking, I'm from Erie, Pennsylvania.

And I've seen Erie, Pennsylvania, just kind of the bottom fallout since over the last 34 years.

It breaks my heart.

I mean, we basically have two, we used to have all these industries.

We had paper industries, all these tool and dye industries here.