Robert Paston

of 2020 or the end of 2019.

The run-up to that, I've never known chaos in Parliament like it.

You know, Theresa May had one plan and then another plan and a party was split and there were all sorts of votes for various different bits of what she wanted to do.

The MPs constantly threw out.

We had the chaos of...

Boris Johnson trying to send MPs home, apparently in the process of misleading the Queen at the time.

Honestly, it was parliamentary chaos like none I've ever experienced.

So, of course, if you were a business trying to work out at the time what kind of relationship we would have with the EU, it was impossible because none of us knew.

Do you think that if...

you know, essentially David Cameron before he, he'd, um,

organized the Brexit vote, had actually put in place any contingency planning for what Brexit might look like, you know, actually the cost of Brexit might have been reduced a bit.

The milk has been spilled, as it were.

We had a chaotic exit.

We are out of the European Union.

You know, 8% of GDP has been lost, according to your projections.

So what do we do now as a nation?

We've got a government that right at this particular juncture is saying, I mean, it's not at all clear it'll be able to persuade the EU,

But its current approach is sector by sector.

Look at a particular sector.

Look at look at whether the businesses in that sector are saying that if we aligned our rules with this.