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Robert Putnam

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479 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Well, how about it? Is zooming with grandma better than hugging grandma or not? And I can tell you when that verdict became universal, namely November 25th, 2020, and people all over the country said, no, I'm sorry, hugging grandma was much better than this.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

In any event. Allow me, I want to go just a little bit further because describing this as an either-or choice, either we can meet face-to-face or we can meet virtually, is false. And I want to use here the metaphor of an alloy, A-L-L-O-Y. An alloy is a mixture of two separate elements, that is, you know, copper and tin. And if you put copper and tin together and stir them up and heat it and so on,

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

In any event. Allow me, I want to go just a little bit further because describing this as an either-or choice, either we can meet face-to-face or we can meet virtually, is false. And I want to use here the metaphor of an alloy, A-L-L-O-Y. An alloy is a mixture of two separate elements, that is, you know, copper and tin. And if you put copper and tin together and stir them up and heat it and so on,

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

In any event. Allow me, I want to go just a little bit further because describing this as an either-or choice, either we can meet face-to-face or we can meet virtually, is false. And I want to use here the metaphor of an alloy, A-L-L-O-Y. An alloy is a mixture of two separate elements, that is, you know, copper and tin. And if you put copper and tin together and stir them up and heat it and so on,

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

I never can remember whether it's bronze or brass, but you get something different from either the tin or the copper. Now, most of our connections, most of our networks today in the real world are simultaneously virtual and real. My wife and I see each other all the time. We live in the same place. But I often send her a text message or even an email saying, saying, come in here.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

I never can remember whether it's bronze or brass, but you get something different from either the tin or the copper. Now, most of our connections, most of our networks today in the real world are simultaneously virtual and real. My wife and I see each other all the time. We live in the same place. But I often send her a text message or even an email saying, saying, come in here.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

I never can remember whether it's bronze or brass, but you get something different from either the tin or the copper. Now, most of our connections, most of our networks today in the real world are simultaneously virtual and real. My wife and I see each other all the time. We live in the same place. But I often send her a text message or even an email saying, saying, come in here.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Come in here means moving to the next room. I want to show you something. And that just captures the fact that my connections with my wife are mostly face-to-face, but also virtual. And that's true universally of everybody. I bet you don't know anybody face-to-face that you don't communicate with via email or text or social media and vice versa.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Come in here means moving to the next room. I want to show you something. And that just captures the fact that my connections with my wife are mostly face-to-face, but also virtual. And that's true universally of everybody. I bet you don't know anybody face-to-face that you don't communicate with via email or text or social media and vice versa.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

Come in here means moving to the next room. I want to show you something. And that just captures the fact that my connections with my wife are mostly face-to-face, but also virtual. And that's true universally of everybody. I bet you don't know anybody face-to-face that you don't communicate with via email or text or social media and vice versa.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

So that means we need to think about what kind of alloys we have because an alloy in principle could be better than either of the two. We could use, let's say, Facebook to encourage people to connect really face-to-face with each other. And about 10 years ago, Mark Zuckerberg came up with the idea of actually what he called communities.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

So that means we need to think about what kind of alloys we have because an alloy in principle could be better than either of the two. We could use, let's say, Facebook to encourage people to connect really face-to-face with each other. And about 10 years ago, Mark Zuckerberg came up with the idea of actually what he called communities.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

So that means we need to think about what kind of alloys we have because an alloy in principle could be better than either of the two. We could use, let's say, Facebook to encourage people to connect really face-to-face with each other. And about 10 years ago, Mark Zuckerberg came up with the idea of actually what he called communities.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

And bizarrely, he quoted, but without quotation marks, bowling alone. He said there's been a big decline, would you believe it, in going to PTA meetings and so on. And I've got the solution to that, he said. But it turned out it didn't have that effect.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

And bizarrely, he quoted, but without quotation marks, bowling alone. He said there's been a big decline, would you believe it, in going to PTA meetings and so on. And I've got the solution to that, he said. But it turned out it didn't have that effect.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

And bizarrely, he quoted, but without quotation marks, bowling alone. He said there's been a big decline, would you believe it, in going to PTA meetings and so on. And I've got the solution to that, he said. But it turned out it didn't have that effect.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

And Facebook's own internal research shows that although they could do it, they know how to create this alloy that would be the best of both worlds. They don't do it. And you want to have two guesses as to why they don't do it? I was talking to actually one of the chief engineers there. And researchers at Facebook, they invited me out there to talk about social capital and Facebook.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

And Facebook's own internal research shows that although they could do it, they know how to create this alloy that would be the best of both worlds. They don't do it. And you want to have two guesses as to why they don't do it? I was talking to actually one of the chief engineers there. And researchers at Facebook, they invited me out there to talk about social capital and Facebook.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

And Facebook's own internal research shows that although they could do it, they know how to create this alloy that would be the best of both worlds. They don't do it. And you want to have two guesses as to why they don't do it? I was talking to actually one of the chief engineers there. And researchers at Facebook, they invited me out there to talk about social capital and Facebook.

The Bulwark Podcast
Carol Leonnig and Robert Putnam: Lies and Moral Obligations

And they know how to do it. Two guesses why they don't do it. Because it would generate less conflict.