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Robert Schiffman

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105 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

The reality, though, is what is the benefit of a 100-year bond?

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

To me, it's just a trophy.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

It's going to be perfected.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

put on the shelf of pension funds and insurance companies.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

They're gonna hold it to maturity.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

And let me tell you something, if anyone's really worried, if that bond does not pay off in 100 years, come and look me up at Bloomberg.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

I'm gonna be upstairs in my office eating free snacks.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

Yeah, you know, it sort of becomes monopoly money, the type of spending that we're seeing.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

I mean, we're now projecting over $4 trillion of cumulative hyperscaler spend through 2030.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

You can afford a lot of that from operating cash flow.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

However, how do you supplement it?

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

You supplement it with really cheap bonds.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

And the way that you can do that is you start off with balance sheets that are in phenomenal shape.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

You know, if you look at Alphabet's AA plus credit rating,

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

S&P came out yesterday and said, in order to breach their downgrade trigger, they would have to issue more than $180 billion of incremental net debt.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

So what I would argue is, hey, if they want it to be a triple B game,

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

Would they have to issue a trillion dollars of bonds?

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

There is so much capacity.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

Why not take the money down, borrow long-dated paper at 5.5%, 5.7%, put it to work today, and grow your future cash flows for another decade, if not 100 years.

Bloomberg Tech
Spotify User Growth, Paramount’s Enhanced Offer

Yeah, listen, I think, you know, what's going to be the top?