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Robin Dunbar

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The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

And then since we did those originally, there have been about 25 studies now showing this in humans, neuroimaging experiments have been done on three groups of monkeys.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

The same effect being shown at the individual level.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

So you'll like this little bit because it's mathematical.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

And by the way, if you want any evidence of how actually functional that is, that it really exists, this number, somebody did an analysis of 61 million Facebook pages, counting all the friends on each of these 61 million Facebook pages.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

The average was 149.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

In general, they are.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

Your 150 friends, as I mentioned earlier, are divided up into a series of layers.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

Those layers have very, very specific numbers.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

They're 5, 15, 50 and 150.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

So the 5 is what we call your shoulders to cry on friends.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

They're the ones that will... When your world falls apart, they will drop everything and come pick you up again.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

Turns out...

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

that those numbers are optima for the efficiency with which information flows through networks.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

And what's more, those are the numbers you find not only between species of primates, but also within primate groups.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

The structure of primate groups has exactly those numbers as well.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

So they don't run to the 150 because they don't have as big a brain as us.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

But for species like baboons and macaques and chimpanzees that live in groups of 40 or 50 individuals, they're substructured in exactly the same way as human social networks are.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

You've got what I call the line-dancing problem.

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

Imagine you're in a group...

The Infinite Monkey Cage
Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell

foraging through the grasslands or the woodlands of the savannah or the forest or whatever it is, how many people can you have in a group and still have the people at either end in time on a line dance?