Robin Williams

She wrote the book called Merchants of Doubt, suggesting that the people involved in fossil fuel industry were simply copying the cigarette trade and saying, you know, there's no problem there, you know, it's your choice, it's a legal thing, just carry on.

Anyway, Jeremy Leggett is now rewilding, with help from Oxford University and lots of friends, the main big areas around Scotland.

And he's consulting the local people.

He's saying, we're not going to ban farming, but we want you as part of the dialogue of how we're going to do it far better because otherwise it's not going to last.

So that kind of example is going well.

And that's why he won the Blue Planet Prize last year worth a million bucks.

There it is, yeah.

What do you think about some of the actions of the people who used to be called the Climate Commission and then the Climate Council involving people like Tim Flannery and Leslie from Macquarie University going to places where people want to engage in a town hall chat where you actually listen to the doubters

You're a sociologist, that's why.

Stuart Lockie, Professor of Sociology at James Cook University in Cairns.

And as you know, David Attenborough did finally lift his restraint about climate change when, as he told me in the science show, the chemical evidence became overwhelming.

evidence.

Here we are in the ABC studio for my last interview with him about his love of Australia.

David Attenborough, welcome to the ABC studio.

I would like to show you an object which you, with any luck, can identify with reasons.

And I'm putting on the table my microphone, which I used as recently as last Friday.

Do you remember having one of those?

Oh, absolutely.

I saw a picture of it in your memoirs.

Yeah, they weigh a ton, don't they?