Rod Little

And that brings a whole different picture.

kind of slant to the way our politics tilts in the next few years.

The real trouble for the government, I mean, yes, you're right, of course, but the real trouble for the government is whether the backbenchers of the Labour Party look at these election results and say, look, I'm going to lose my seat at the next election because of this clown we have who's leading us.

Therefore, I'm going to press, I'm going to join the Rainer and Streeting and Miliband camps to press for a new leader.

And how many think, no, that's too dangerous?

And my guess at the moment is that quite a few will be going on the no, that's too dangerous path.

Given that that's what they did after the Miliband business.

If they lose fewer than 1,500 seats, they will talk it up as victory.

But it's a peculiar kind of victory to me.

You know, someone who's accustomed to going along to watch Millwall every week, and if we score two goals and the opposition score one, we've won.

Losing by 1,500 seats does not seem to me an enormous victory.

That's a good question.

It's split.

Certainly for a lot of people, it's all about anti-Semitism and pro-Islamism, which is the Greens, of course.

But there are a large number of councils run by the Labour Party, particularly up in my neck of the woods, up here in the northeast of England, which have done rather well, you know, and which have...

have rejuvenated their town centres and spent money judiciously.

I think that might come into play a little bit.

I don't think people are quite ready to ditch Labour completely up here at the moment.