Roger Karma

they hadn't changed nearly as much. People weren't necessarily anti-immigrant as much as they felt like the immigration process had gotten out of control and the immigration process was no longer serving the country. And so I think it is really important to distinguish those two things. And I think a lot of the public opinion shift we've seen over the last few years, it isn't about economics.

It's really about the sense of control and chaos.

It's really about the sense of control and chaos.

It's really about the sense of control and chaos.

Unfortunately, like, you know, any good journalist, I'm not quite as good at the solutions as I am about identifying the problems. But I will say I think... at the root of a lot of this is the fact that there's an underlying scarcity, right? So I think an example of this is housing. Recently, we haven't talked about this in particular, but J.D.

Unfortunately, like, you know, any good journalist, I'm not quite as good at the solutions as I am about identifying the problems. But I will say I think... at the root of a lot of this is the fact that there's an underlying scarcity, right? So I think an example of this is housing. Recently, we haven't talked about this in particular, but J.D.

Unfortunately, like, you know, any good journalist, I'm not quite as good at the solutions as I am about identifying the problems. But I will say I think... at the root of a lot of this is the fact that there's an underlying scarcity, right? So I think an example of this is housing. Recently, we haven't talked about this in particular, but J.D.

Vance and Donald Trump made a big deal in their campaign about how immigrants were responsible for driving up housing costs. That argument has never held weight in American politics before because it is only over the last decade that housing costs and a housing shortage has become a big problem. When there is material scarcity, people look for a villain. People look for someone to blame.

Vance and Donald Trump made a big deal in their campaign about how immigrants were responsible for driving up housing costs. That argument has never held weight in American politics before because it is only over the last decade that housing costs and a housing shortage has become a big problem. When there is material scarcity, people look for a villain. People look for someone to blame.

Vance and Donald Trump made a big deal in their campaign about how immigrants were responsible for driving up housing costs. That argument has never held weight in American politics before because it is only over the last decade that housing costs and a housing shortage has become a big problem. When there is material scarcity, people look for a villain. People look for someone to blame.

And so I think one answer to, for example, the blaming immigrants for housing costs is to say, well, if we fix the housing shortage such that people don't feel that scarcity, maybe we can avoid some of that. I think the other sort of way I look at this is, in some senses, one of the most pro-immigrant things you could do is reduce the amount of chaos.

And so I think one answer to, for example, the blaming immigrants for housing costs is to say, well, if we fix the housing shortage such that people don't feel that scarcity, maybe we can avoid some of that. I think the other sort of way I look at this is, in some senses, one of the most pro-immigrant things you could do is reduce the amount of chaos.

And so I think one answer to, for example, the blaming immigrants for housing costs is to say, well, if we fix the housing shortage such that people don't feel that scarcity, maybe we can avoid some of that. I think the other sort of way I look at this is, in some senses, one of the most pro-immigrant things you could do is reduce the amount of chaos.

So I think there's actually a sort of middle ground here where you could reduce a lot of the chaos at the border while expanding legal immigration in a way that keeps immigrants coming in but creates a more orderly process that people feel comfortable with and you can actually get more positive sentiment as a result.

So I think there's actually a sort of middle ground here where you could reduce a lot of the chaos at the border while expanding legal immigration in a way that keeps immigrants coming in but creates a more orderly process that people feel comfortable with and you can actually get more positive sentiment as a result.

So I think there's actually a sort of middle ground here where you could reduce a lot of the chaos at the border while expanding legal immigration in a way that keeps immigrants coming in but creates a more orderly process that people feel comfortable with and you can actually get more positive sentiment as a result.

I just think what makes it difficult is the politics are almost perfectly aligned to make that difficult from happening. And it's been, you know, immigration reform is something that politicians have been talking about for more than 20 years now, and it hasn't happened.

I just think what makes it difficult is the politics are almost perfectly aligned to make that difficult from happening. And it's been, you know, immigration reform is something that politicians have been talking about for more than 20 years now, and it hasn't happened.

I just think what makes it difficult is the politics are almost perfectly aligned to make that difficult from happening. And it's been, you know, immigration reform is something that politicians have been talking about for more than 20 years now, and it hasn't happened.

Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure. Thank you.