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Rogé Karma

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503 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

I think the strongest case is that the broad educational trends we are experiencing are sort of exactly what you'd expect if AI was the culprit of displacing workers.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

So, right, I mentioned that since 2022, and this is actually really, if you look at since November of 2022, when ChatGPT was released, again, the unemployment rate for young college graduates has risen nearly twice as fast as the rest of the workforce.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

That single statistic is exactly what you might expect if AI was displacing entry-level white-collar workers.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

What is the kind of work that recent college graduates tend to do?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

It is things like making PowerPoint slides.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

It's working in Excel.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

It's writing first drafts of reports.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

It's doing a lot of the sort of text-based entry-level work that we already know that AI systems like Claude or ChatGPT can do pretty well.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

Another big one is writing a lot of first draft of code.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

And so you look at these things, you look at the kinds of tasks that AI is already good at, then you look at the type of workers who tend to perform those tasks, you see all of a sudden,

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

Those workers increasing in unemployment faster than they normally are.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

You put that all together, it seems like an AI story.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

Derek, let me tell you, economists normally don't agree on much, but this is an issue where there's especially vehement and sometimes quite spicy disagreement.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

There are economists all over the gamut here, right?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

There are ones who think that, and papers that seem to find that

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

AI is already displacing a lot of entry-level, for example, software engineers.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

Then on the other side, there are economists who think that it has had basically no labor market impact at all, lots of views in between, and really no clear consensus right now.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

What is the nub of their disagreement?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

I'm going to get a little nerdy here.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
‘The Job Market for Young People Is Brutal’

One of the main focal points of disagreement, I would say the nub, concerns this statistic called the unemployment rate.