Rohit Chopra

Well, and nobody except for like maybe, I mean, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but maybe people who are sort of still avowed Marxists.

Nobody really tries to claim that the Cuban government isn't repressive and is not going to follow foreign journalists.

Everyone would agree they're repressive.

The question is like some would argue maybe it's good.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, that's a good point.

But it's obviously a repressive country.

Again, even some of the people who are arguing against sanctions and the like.

They have tight rules around speech and media.

They have artists in political prison, I guess.

If you want to interview somebody at the University of Havana who is a high-profile person, that's a government university.

And you have to then get permission from the government.

Not the kind of system that I, as a journalist, prefer.

Which, when you came back from Cuba, we talked about all of this.

We talked about the process.

We talked about how you were able to do those tours of the hospitals.

But it's also not a mystery what Cuba is, apparently, to anybody other than Nick Shirley.

So I hope the Cuban government takes mercy on poor Nick Shirley.

Truly.

He knows not what he does.