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And I have heard great things and I'm dying to go to see that.

I missed it the last time, so I'm really excited.

It's been on before, is it?

Brilliant.

Fiona, you're the festival lead of Kaleidoscope, which I have been to.

I haven't been to Beyond the Pale.

It's an amazing family friendly festival.

Tell people what they can expect down there.

Also in Wicklow.

So you can see the progress and evolution of these young artists.

Give people an idea of what kind of planning goes into this, because I presume you start planning it once the thing is over, you're on to planning the next one.

Is that the way it works?

And just to both of you, is it it's quite it feels like a quite a male dominated thing festivals or it can be.

So is it kind of have you noticed that or do you feel like there's more women involved now than there has been?

It's changed.

And like, so none of that shouting at each other in the behind the scenes.

No, not on our fights, no.

That's good to hear.

Jenny, Beyond the Pale was almost cancelled last year for cash flow reasons.

So obviously loads of challenges, as a lot of people are experiencing, costs rising, all of that.