Roland Busch

But if you're talking about really highest level, if you come with people who really have the gravitas, who bring the experience,

where nobody would doubt that if they say, this is how modern software looks like, they have authority by themselves without giving them the stars and stripes.

So they just put people together and say, this is how we go.

And people listen and follow.

So this is the package.

And you need all of them, all of them, in order to make this transformation.

And it seems to work.

I had a huge respect.

I mean, I'm a lifetime at Siemens.

And I saw in my 30 years of Siemens so many changes and programs.

And before pulling the trigger of making this big change, which is the deepest one for the last at least 20 years, you think about twice.

Because if this vessel runs in the wrong direction, you have a problem.

And we have to deliver at the same time.

But I pulled the trigger because I knew that we have to change.

The environment technology is changing so fast, so we have to be on the forefront.

But I'm quite happy because it runs now for one year.

And good progress.

There's another one ahead of us.

So by the end of the fiscal year, so by end of this, by October, November, we are basically through with all the big moves and the changes.

And we are already grooving in the first batch of changes we made.