Roland Busch

I mean, this is mechanical stuff.

There's no software, no KI, if not in the development, of course.

But normally, this is a product which is hardware.

Not only because we have now a solid-state switching, which is disruptive, which brings software into it, but take that aside.

And then talking about being on stage, talking about CAI and new models and whatnot and digital twins, the people sometimes feel lost.

Bush is always talking about that stuff, but I'm just doing mechanicals.

So we have to give love to these guys as well because they do a lot in terms of contributing top and bottom line cash flow to our company.

They are part of the equation.

If you go to any kind of customer,

They say, I love your automation, I love your software, but still I have to do some switching here and we are rolling in.

I mean, and it's super relevant because if you don't have a switch or if it breaks, then you have a problem.

They bring the capabilities to a customer and say, and not, by the way, we have also some low voltage here, but really say, this is important for you to have a very solid operation.

um it is it makes sense um and they are they are proud to contribute so you have to distribute your love not only to the new stuff but also to those which are which is basically super important and carrying also our piano forward and then the other element is believe it or not this ces presentation a keynote um where you really are on on a on a

talk with Jensen there, Sadia there and you show what we do and people, even the low voltage guys are proud what we do.

I'll give a last one because I have to share that with you.

We didn't talk about a completely other area which is mobility, Siemens mobility.

They do trains.

This is hard stuff.

Boogies, frames, mechanical.

I mean, these trains are super loaded with automation.