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Ronan Farrow

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The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And one of those people was Elon Musk.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

These two things are deeply interrelated.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

Yes, Sam Altman could have presented this with a for-profit motive more openly and perhaps earlier, his critics say.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

But part of the power of his pitch was that he went to Elon Musk and he said, I hear you.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

This could destroy humanity.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

We need to put something together and we need it to be safety first.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And it can't just be about racing to get the technology first.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

This has to be a scenario where we're willing to slow down on development first.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

to keep it safe.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

It was all rooted in a fear-driven argument.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And that was why Google was the bad guy, because Google is for-profit, they're the megacorporation, so we're going to be the good guys.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And that was, as Andrew alluded to, a really powerful recruiting tool, because part of OpenAI's strength was not only did Sam Altman, through these quite extraordinary powers of persuasion, present this sort of fear-driven rationale why he needed to get the money for this,

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

He also was able to go to the brightest minds in the field and say, this is a nonprofit.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

We may not be able to pay as much as Google, but we can give you something else, which is we're the good guys.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

So what happened a few years ago?

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

There are certainly specific episodes over the history of OpenAI that have not yet been extensively reported.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

We have a detailed account of a moment where critics within the company allege, and people threatened to quit over this, a plot was entertained at the highest levels of the company to sell the next generation of this technology, AGI, when it comes, to the highest international bidder to pit China and Russia and the United States against each other.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

And that really did prompt some of the safety-minded people in the company to say, you know, as one tells us, this is insane.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

I mean, potentially a situation where Vladimir Putin has disproportionate control of the most dangerous technology in the world.

The New Yorker Radio Hour
Sam Altman’s Trust Issues at OpenAI

Now, we should say this is something that ultimately did not come to fruition.