Ronen Bergman

Thanks for having us.

Thanks, Natalie.

Pleasure.

So this was a rolling plan towards an attack that called for, in the first time in history, a joint U.S.-Israeli strike on Iran that would involve the Israeli intelligence and the almighty power of America together.

Something that Netanyahu always, always, this was his dream.

He thrived for that.

And everybody told him this will never happen.

And then someone said to President Trump, this is April 2025, listen, we are being dragged into war that we don't want.

And we want an agreement.

Yes, at the beginning, he doesn't want that.

And he says to Netanyahu, stop, don't.

Even before the planes, the bombers turned back to the U.S., and he already has the BDA, the Battle Damage Assessment.

And Bibi's saying, we've removed the threat from the nuclear project and the missile project for generations.

But he didn't have that, and it was not true.

High-ranking military officials told us in real time, the tactical achievements of both militaries

were as expected, but nobody expected that this limited campaign would remove the threat.

Because if it removed the threat, what are we doing now?

Like you remove a threat and then it comes back after eight months?

Yeah, and the Israeli BDA said that in a good day, maybe they withdrew parts of the nuclear plan in maybe up to a year, maybe in some other parts in months.

So the problem was not the achievements versus the targets, but the statements from the leaders who said it's obliterated, and it was not.