Rory Stewart

Globalization destroyed jobs, made us weaker, welfare states impoverished us, the UN... Which, by the way, until he became Secretary of State to Donald Trump, he did not believe.

And why do you think the Europeans were so cheered up by it?

And just to sort of footnote on this, because I'm not sure we've talked about this enough on the podcast, American public diplomacy is...

is now increasingly aligned with the national security strategy, which is a pompous way of saying- Has to be.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

It's a pompous way of saying words matter.

This story that, you know, what Trump says or what's in the strategy doesn't really matter.

The whole bureaucracy is now behind the idea that you're meant to be behind parties like Orban, populists in Europe, and you're meant to be pushing back against liberal democracy and immigration, etc.,

Let me do my attempt to sort of do a minute summary of my census speech, then you can correct me because you had a much closer thoughtful engagement with it.

So he begins by saying, we need to understand that the UK needs to be much closer to Europe.

And he talks very explicitly about the fact that Europe's got far too many different national defense systems when the US has one frigate

one advanced fighter jet, etc.

And that needs to be sorted out.

But he then says some people talk about rupture.

The person who talked about rupture is, of course, Mark Carney.

And that was Mark Carney and Davos a few weeks ago.

And I disagree.

And I think we need, and he then explicitly says, we cannot break the transatlantic relationship.

We need to remain very, very close to the United States.

But what was interesting is that he didn't, in a way that Merz did, Stubb is now doing, the president of Finland, and certainly Carney, he doesn't at any point in the speech really call out the US.