Rory Stewart

Can we just pause on that for a second?

Because

We don't talk enough about the Lib Dems.

And actually, there are substantial figures.

I mean, you know, what have they got?

70 something seats in Parliament.

Doing well in the local elections.

So we talk about why Farage gets covered and why the Tories don't.

What's the story about the Lib Dems?

I mean, why, given that they have a historically huge representation in Parliament, given that, you know, a lot of people in the centre ground, why have the Lib Dems not really cut through in the right way in the last year and a half?

Is that right?

Or is it that when they report Ed Davey, actually it's almost the reverse.

It's that because of that, they're reporting Ed Davey because he's doing some weird thing, some stunt.

For the long term.

I mean, the short term, fine.

But don't you think in the long term, it's what people will remember him for, is doing jolly stunts.

And how do you then tilt from that to being the moral voice against Donald Trump?

It's quite tough, right?

Yeah, but it's not taken with the same gravitas.

It's not like, you know, Hillary Benn or Gordon Brown suddenly starts talking about Donald Trump.