Rory Stewart

Yeah.

Do these reports concur with what you're hearing?

If so, does this mean Kira's got a… It's interesting, visceral dislike.

I mean, I find him like a sort of slightly disappointing kind of accountant, but not someone I'd get visceral dislike on.

Yeah.

What do they hate him for?

Okay, so that's one story, which is that he's inconsistent.

He says one thing, does another.

And if you were to talk to the guys in the stands who are chanting, let's say you were talking, I don't know, let's say a 35-year-old guy in Burnley who told you they hated Keir Starmer, what might they say about why they hated him?

Tell us a bit about Burnley, though.

Sorry, I keep pushing on this.

What sort of place is it?

Where is it?

Up in Lancashire?

Okay.

And was a Labour safe seat and then went to Lib Dems briefly, then back to Labour.

And now?

Yeah.

And in the local elections?

So I think that sense of... Yeah, it's a bit like, sorry, I don't want to be boring, but I sometimes feel this, like if you get the plumber in, and the plumber spends the first five minutes saying, oh, it's all very difficult, and there's this, that, and the other, and this happening with the pipes, this, that.