Rory Stewart

You said it to Labour.

Okay, last time though, because I...

Imagine you're a Burnley voter who hates Keir Starmer, and you're a 40-year-old guy from East Lancashire.

Okay.

What would he say, unlike your 17-year-old at school?

What might he say about why he hates Keir Starmer?

And weirdly, he wouldn't,

think of Farage or even Boris Johnson as being posh in the same way.

It's a kind of weird kind of thing.

I had this recently, actually, two days ago.

A very, very wealthy business person came up to me and said, of course, Rory, you're not going to like Nigel Farage because he's not enough for you.

He's not posh enough for you.

And they'd obviously decided that Farage was, you know, proper kind of voice of the working class, this kind of public school educated city trader, etc.

So what is it about the way in which Farage and Johnson communicate that might make the man in Burnley feel, completely wrongly, but feel that he relates to them more easily than Starman?

And I guess my final, we should wrap in five minutes, but my final- We don't want to go Joe Rogan.

My final point then will be, let's hope there's a new prime minister soon and let's hope they start doing stuff.

Let's hope they demonstrate on growth, on immigration, on AI, on values, because

probably the best way to defeat Farage is not just being slick with the communication, but actually improving people's lives.

I mean, it's maybe a bit uncomfortable because you're friends with them.

I mean, I worry that it's actually pretty weak, that cabinet.