Rory Stewart

Is it right that basically you left Britain in the end because Margaret Thatcher won a third term and you couldn't face the idea of her still being here?

So you went to Australia and then you left Australia because they then started to turn to the right.

So are you sort of driven around the world by politics?

So what was the right war back then?

I can imagine that.

Absolutely in my politics.

Which was always a sub-current of that.

Don't be defensive.

No, no, defensive.

I'm explaining.

So hold on, let me get this right.

You've got the bankers there, but were the big governments, the French, the Germans, did they want Greece inside the euro?

And if so, what were their reasons?

Or were they brought into the euro on conditions that they never met and probably never could meet?

And then when you became the finance minister and the bailout is happening,

Is the bailout happening to help Greece, or is the bailout happening to help the same banks that got you into the euro in the first place?

Okay, Yanis, Rory, quick break and then back for more.

But then you also had this big moment with the referendum, essentially, where the Greek people said, no, no more austerity.

We can't take any more.

It wasn't exactly that.