Rory Stewart

I went to an event with Reza Pahlavi, the crown prince of Persia-Iran, who has been very much one of the leading figures in driving the uprisings against the government in Iran.

And then I saw him again

later in the evening, and we had another little chat.

Very interesting, because listeners probably would have heard our podcast on a run.

We were talking about Trump administration.

He says the big fight now, and actually he's just met the Venezuelan Nobel Prize winner, and what she's talking about is Machado and Petlovi are worried that what Trump's trying to do

is just get rid of Khamenei and leave the rest of the regime in place, some sort of revolutionary military government in place.

And he's saying it's just not enough.

The people won't put up with it.

Tens of thousands of people have been killed in the streets.

There needs to be a real change.

But at the same time, the Gulf, who are also here, are terrified that what Trump will do is just enough to annoy the Iranians and provoke a response.

but not enough actually to topple the regime again.

And so there's a very complicated thing going on with the Turks, the Qataris, the Egyptians and others to try to get some sort of agreement.

And nobody knows what Trump will do.

We talked about this with Rob Malley, what he'll declare a success.

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