Rory Stewart

It's quite an interesting thing to do.

I don't understand these social media campaigns.

I mean, normally you find someone who looks a bit dodgy and then you project these things.

Or does it work better if the guy seems really respectable and then you're like, he seems respectable.

QAnon.

And listen, I don't want to be pompous about it, but I imagine 10 years ago, we would all solemnly have stood up in the House of Commons, given condolences, said we stand four square behind the promises.

Well, 10 years ago, for example, when Joe Cox was murdered.

Regardless, yeah, of party.

Yeah, absolutely.

And then the use of checkpoints.

I mean, one of the things that's interesting in reporting you sent me is the sense in which they're using a playbook that goes all the way back to the troubles in Northern Ireland in the 80s and 90s, which is you use checkpoints to delay people, and that then stops the police getting.

And even the firebombing was another thing.

I think there were tens of thousands of people displaced from their homes during the troubles through firebombing.

So it's as though people are learning from paramilitary techniques.

Well, let me see if I can sum it up in the way that I see this.

I think what you're saying in both halves is our whole politics is about finding problems.

Most of those problems are actually internal to do with us and blaming someone else.

It's the classic nationalist move.

If Scotland's not performing well, it's the fault of London.

If Britain's not going great, it's the fault of Europe.