Rosa Lewis

Thanks.

Yeah, really nice to be here.

Yeah, I guess one of the most important parts of it is that there's a deeper aspect of reality than just the sort of logical linear time, rational material.

world that is sort of focused on by a lot of humanity as the main aspect of experience and then there are these sort of deeper more subtle realms of

experience that are present in time isn't always linear there's like different ways in which causality can happen and there's a connection to something bigger than just us so you could call that a kind of a divinity or a mystery or a buddha nature or something that has intelligence and a rhyme and a reason that isn't this sort of like just logical linear rational material that we're in

And I would say that being a mystic is kind of communing with those parts of experience, being connected to them, being open to them, that being more the sort of baseline of reality and experience sort of like arising from there as its main source.

Yes.

For me, it starts there because otherwise it's just, you're actually just adding ideas and concepts and going off into somewhere else.

It's actually, yeah, you go through the door of presence.

Wholehearted is in there as well because it's about wholeness and feeling and embodiment and like showing up and being in the moment, committing to presence and committing to the full spectrum of what that can mean.

And then as you practice and through meditation and other things, other aspects of experience, which I'm sure we'll talk about, what it means to be in the present moment can start to get broader and more expansive.

Yeah, it happens by paying attention to your immediate experience in the present moment and being here with what is in your body, your heart, in your direct experience.

There are some psychedelics sprinkled in there.

I think that psychedelics open things up, but it's more meditation and shadow work focused, actually.

It's interesting because now when I look back on when I was a child and a

young adult, there were a lot of elements of mystical experience there, but I was in a very rational paradigm.

And so I was sort of like discounting that and seeing through that lens.

But my sort of experience of when I first started experiencing these things is, well, there was a few things that happened at once.

One was I got a bad concussion and that just sort of like, it's kind of like opened my mind a little bit to what was going on.

And then I sort of was listening to a few kind of like more spiritual things, Alan Wattsy type stuff and having