Rose Rimler

You could argue that's part of, like, the Georgian— Yeah.

I mean, maybe that would have some—but I'm sure no one has tested that.

So that is just all wrapped up in this.

Right.

That and there's this idea that

It's not just babies generally.

It's a specific kind of baby that some people want, like American babies.

But by that, they mean white American babies.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Although having said that, it's not necessarily a solution forever.

Because if the world fertility rate is generally going down, then you can't just rely on other countries.

Okay, so, Blythe, at this point, you've done all this research.

You've really looked into this.

What do you think the U.S.

should do?

So even though we don't have evidence that will totally turn things around and fix the problem, we have some evidence that it could help.

And who knows how far it'll go if we really put a lot of weight into those policies.

So given that, how freaked out are you about this?

I'm more worried than I was.

You sufficiently freaked me out.