Rose Rimler

This week we have 117 citations, and if you want to see all those citations, you can click on the link to our transcript, and you'll find that in our show notes.

This episode was produced by Blythe Terrell, Meryl Horn, Michelle Dang, Aketi Foster-Keys, and me, Rose Rimler.

Wendy Zuckerman is our executive producer.

We're edited by Blythe Terrell.

Fact-checking by Michelle Dang and Aketi Foster-Keys.

Mix and sound design by Bobby Lord.

Music written by Bobby Lord, Bumi Hidaka, So Wiley, Emma Munger, and Peter Leonard.

Special thanks to all the Minnesotans who took the time to speak to us about what's going on there, including photographer Matt Gundrum.

Thanks also to the other researchers we spoke to, including Dr. Margot Moinister and Professor Joanna Drebby.

Thanks to Paul Schreiber, Nimra Azmi, Whitney Potter, and Jack Weinstein.

Science Versus is a Spotify Studios original.

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Actually, you told me I had to be here.

No, but it's a very interesting topic.

Although I've noticed, Blythe, that you in particular, you seem like particularly obsessed with it.

So why?

Why does this like grab you so much?

I thought it was just like, I thought you were just going to say the U.S.