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Ross Douthat

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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

But it seems like in law, you can tell a pretty straightforward story where law has a kind of system of training and apprenticeship where you have paralegals and you have junior lawyers who do behind-the-scenes

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

research and development for cases.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And then it has the top tier lawyers who are actually in the courtroom and so on.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And it just seems really easy to imagine a world where all of the apprentice roles go away.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Does that sound right to you?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And you're just left with sort of the jobs that involve talking to clients, talking to juries, talking to judges?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

I think it's first important to say this isn't just like the other, you know, this isn't just like previous disruptions.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

But I would then go one step further, though, and say, okay, let's say the law adapts successfully.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And it says, all right, from now on, legal apprenticeship involves more time in court, more time with clients.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

We're essentially moving you up the ladder of responsibility faster.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

There are fewer people employed in the law overall, but...

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

The profession sort of settles.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Still, the reason law would settle, right, is that you have all of these situations in the law where you are legally required to have people involved, right?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

You know, you have to have people.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

a human representative in court.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

You know, you have to have 12 humans on your jury.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

You have to have a human judge.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

And you already mentioned the idea that there are various ways in which AI might be, let's say, very helpful at clarifying what kind of decision should be reached.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

But that too seems like a scenario where what preserves human agency is law and custom.

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Is Claude Coding Us Into Irrelevance?

Like you could replace the judge with Claude version 17.9, but you choose not to