Ross Douthat

You've had a few skeptical things to say about Donald Trump and his trustworthiness as a political actor.

What about the domestic landscape, whether it's Trump or someone else?

You are building a tremendously powerful technology.

What is the safeguard there to prevent essentially AI becoming a tool of destruction?

authoritarian takeover inside a democratic context.

Like, you know, but it doesn't have to be Trump.

It is easy to imagine a hypothetical U.S.

president who who wants to use your technology.

And you have to do it just as the legal profession or software engineers has to update in a rapid amount of time.

Politics has to update in a rapid amount of time.

That seems hard.

That's the dilemma.

That's the dilemma of all of this.

So what seems harder?

is preventing the second danger, which is the danger of essentially what gets called misaligned AI, rogue AI in popular parlance, from doing bad things without human beings telling it, them, they to do it, right?

And as I read

your essays, the literature, everything I can see, this just seems like it's going to happen, right?

Not in the sense necessarily that AI will wipe us all out, but it just seems to me that, you know, again, I'm going to quote from your own writing, AI systems are unpredictable, difficult to control.

We've seen behaviors as varied as obsession, sycophancy, laziness, deception, blackmail, and so on.

Again, not from the models you're releasing into the world, right?