Roy Wood Jr.

But ultimately, I think we're in a place where...

The same way the entertainment, like right now we make, I think, is it 60, maybe 40?

Let's just say 40% fewer scripted shows than we did pre-COVID just because of industry contraction and they're hedging bets and they don't want to put a lot of money into everything.

I think podcasting is something similar.

Like you're not going to have these big podcast networks that are just throwing six-digit checks at people hoping that something returns.

The money train's gone.

It'd be like 15 years ago with the web series.

I don't know if you remember Funny or Die and Super Deluxe and all of those websites.

That was the way 15 years ago.

Just shoot your own web series.

They were giving like $100,000 to creators to shoot 10 episodes of a web series.

Just...

That wouldn't happen now.

You would have to shoot that yourself and then get traction.

And then maybe you get some sponsorship deals or whatever.

But yeah, I think that...

I think video is what sells, and because you start talking about video, now it has to be something that's actually worthwhile, and then it's going to push the envelope of how it's presented.

I can't cut it because they might do reshoots in April.

And I've been growing it since October, so I'm scared.

And even now, it's still patchy.