Rupert Lowe

Well, I think, Tucker, it's basically it's our democracy has gone badly wrong.

So what happened is we are the mother of all parliaments, and we effectively were the genesis of true democracy.

I mean, forget the Greeks for now, but let's just say we are modern democracy.

Yeah, but this is democracy at scale.

But they had the right concept, I think, and there's some great philosophers from that era.

But I think our parliament was structured so that you had MPs elected by the people, and they were effectively the people's representatives.

So the job of parliament

was ultimately to put the interests of the British nation first, make decisions that was, first of all, and above everything else, in the interests of the nation.

But at the same time, there were internal rivalries about regional interests.

a competition between each of those MPs to try and do the best for their constituency as well.

But most of them were in some way invested in Britain.

They were landowners, they were businessmen, they were peers, they were aristocrats.

They actually had a big shareholding, if you like, in UK PLC.

And, you know, I look at prime ministers like Lord Salisbury, and I look at, you know, men who made great decisions, and obviously we can talk about Churchill, we can talk about the great leaders, Maggie Thatcher, who I loved.

We can talk about great leaders, but I think what's gone badly wrong, and this is why...

I've set up a movement, not a party, to unite common sense thought and to allow those people who share the view you've just outlined, that it doesn't matter who you vote for, the smorgasbord of opportunities that you've got at the moment, whether it's the Tories, whether it's Labour, whether it's the Lib Dems, whether it's the Greens, whether it's the Scottish National Party, whoever, they're all part of this dying sort of remnant of what was Parliament.

So I think we've got to have some form of

what in geological terms, rejuvenation and uplift, to change the way in which we're governed and make sure that we re-empower the MPs, the elected representatives of the people, and we disempower the people who run Parliament, the quangos, the unelected civil servants who are largely represented by the permanent secretaries, many of whom I now see on the Public Accounts Committee,

The country, Tucker, is just run by people who don't know which way is up.

So we've got a dying body of productive Brits who I have the greatest admiration for, who really fight all this regulation, this red tape, all of the oppression of government, of licensing, of regulations, of rules.