Rupert Lowe

We've done good things, not bad things.

We've voluntarily ended the slave trade.

It actually cost us a lot of money.

The British Navy was used to police the cessation of the slave trade.

So I feel very proud of Britain.

I love Britain.

And I think these people, these human rights lawyers, I actually despise them, Tucker.

I think they're the enemy of Britain.

And I don't understand what motivates them.

the west well in the end history will tell you that we always return to rail politic and rail politic is basically uh power power ultimately dictates what happens of course and as you say that's happening china is very cleverly positioning herself you know in countries which are struggling for money obviously in africa i mean her tentacles are going almost everywhere and you know i i think i think china

in a way, is an extraordinary economy because you've got this extraordinary relationship between communism and their capitalism, which Deng tried to introduce, which has generated a sort of class of people who, and the Chinese are enterprising people, who have generated wealth.

But then, you know, you've also got this communist bloc.

And I visited, when I was chairman of Southampton, I visited Qingdao, where Southampton is twinned with Qingdao.

And it's an extraordinary sort of relationship.

So very much the capitalist is effectively in hock to the communists.

So they control everything.

And if you look what happened to Jack Ma, I mean, he built an incredibly successful business in Alibaba.

So I think that their blend of

communism and capitalism, which if you dig deep, all their state enterprises are incredibly indebted and almost bankrupt.

So I don't think her model is sustainable.