Russell Crowe

It's like, what can we get away with?

Right.

It's the art of the possible.

The unfortunate thing is, and it affects Australia as much as it affects here, we have such an aggressive media situation and the media's need for new information, new stories, whatever that timeline is.

you're just not going to get people of quality stepping into that world anymore.

No, who'd want to put themselves through that?

There's probably hundreds of potentially incredible presidents in this country, but they're too smart to

Walk that way you know yeah, it's real problem.

Well, that is the thing, isn't it?

It's just like picking a color, and no matter what happens under the banner of that color, you're just sticking with the color.

It's like, well, that's not really going to help any of us.

That's not the way.

It's kind of good.

But we have a very interesting thing that's happening in Australia at the moment, which is the rise of independence.

And it's happened federally and also at a state level too, but also in city government as well.

where non-party affiliated people are standing.

And so now you have a situation where in the parliament you have a group of them.

I don't know the exact numbers, 10 or 15 or something independents.

So the main party has to deal with the fact that those independents are going to bring a non-party line series of points to the argument.

And it's working well.