Russell Tovey

in face of such disturbing times.

And I think that's the other reason I really wanted to have you on the podcast because I really appreciate that space you offer us in the work that you make.

It's not just an escape.

It's actually quite a nurturing thing to like watch your work.

And I think it's really urgent right now.

I think we need as much healing as possible because there's such a sense of trauma and grief that people are going through just on a daily level.

And I think if we can have art that somehow lifts us up or makes us feel like what we think or care about matters.

Yeah, and at least nostalgia, it's like thought provoking and kind of makes you consider something that people aren't considering.

So it definitely wakes people up.

Before we get to the final questions, I just want to ask you one thing.

What was it like working with Lady Gaga?

Because I know you worked with her, which was actually a weird combination of like fashion music and someone who actually has so much to say.

I love her voice and the way that she, you know, stands up for people around the world of being discriminated against.

I think it's great.

I also love the fact that she was always up for working with like new talent.

And I heard from Pam Hogg, you know, rest in peace.

Sadly, she's now past two.

I miss her so much.

But Pam told me that working with Gaga was like always really amazing because she's one of the few celebrities that wouldn't just borrow her clothes.

She would actually buy them, pay for them and make sure she paid the right price and like wanted to support Pam.