Ryan Burge

You know, they're anti-authority in a lot of ways.

It's like, where does your money go when you put it on the plate?

Well, it goes right here.

It stays right here in these four walls.

So what we're going to have is a very sort of fragmented Protestant Christianity that's, you know, you've got a little fiefdom here of 15,000 people in this church and 20,000 people in this church.

So I think the problem is it's going to be harder to conceptualize, to measure, to really understand what these groups look like because—

Now you've got these little like pockets, like you got Joel Osteen, right, in Houston, Texas.

He's an evangelical, but he doesn't interface with most other evangelicals.

You got Paula White down in Florida who Trump loves, but she's Pentecostal and believes in the gifts of the spirit.

So Franklin Graham would never talk to Paula White.

So, you know, you've got all these little pockets that they don't like sort of add up to a cohesive.

What is evangelicalism?

In 30 years, that question is going to be almost impossible to answer.

Not that it's easy now, but it's going to be 10 times harder because of this amorphous nature of non-denominationalism.

I think evangelicalism has been so branded, though, as Republican, it's kind of hard to like shake that larger mentality.

But what you do see is you sort of start seeing the cracks are forming.

And like, for instance, a lot of those churches are male led and their official doctrine is that, you know, only men can be pastors.

But like on Mother's Day, they'll have the pastor's wife get on stage with the pastor and talk about like what it's like to be a mother.

So they're trying to like half step away from conservative evangelical orthodoxy.

They won't make plain their views on same sex marriage.