Ryan Burge

They tried to take care of them and feed them and nourish them.

And by doing that actually lowered their death rate.

So, you know, like it's not magic.

It's science.

Right.

Like just taking care of other people is in some ways a miraculous thing to do.

And that is how religion operates.

You don't have to believe in any woo woo, any spiritual, any resurrection, any miracles to understand the miracle of what it means to have.

Hang out in community with people for a long period of time who want to help you and you want to help them.

That in many ways is magical and spiritual and otherworldly.

We've forgotten that part of the whole thing.

Like there is a value in just showing up.

and being part and building a community to other people.

And if you believe in none of it, it won't matter because those other people believe in you and you believe in them.

And I really do believe, Derek, that the average person goes to an average house of worship on a regular basis for the next year or two, their lives will be demonstrably better in multiple dimensions in ways they won't even understand after a year or two or three because of their being part of that community of people.

It's been an absolute pleasure, Derek.

Thanks for having me on.

Yeah, so nuns, N-O-N-E-S, are people who identify with no religious tradition.

What that means is we ask a question about affiliation and they describe their religion as atheist, agnostic, or nothing in particular.

And that third piece is the one that we forget about a lot.