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Ryan Greenblatt

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

It seems that Anthropic might have their own take-off speeds, timelines model that differ substantially from current public modelling, produces much less conservative conclusions about the level of concern, and that they are using for decision-making.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

If so, I think they should either publicly write up their modelling, informally would be fine, or get third parties to review it privately.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

Insofar as they mean we think we'll maybe reach 2x overall progress when our survey.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

That's mostly capturing vibes and doesn't have a clear correspondence to any particular notion of uplift.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

Reaches 40x, fair enough, but it seems good to clarify this.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

The current state of our evidence about AI R&D acceleration from Mythos seems extremely limited and AI companies should, and can, do much better going forward.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

Heading.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

Appendix.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

Estimating AI progress speed up from serial labor acceleration.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

There's a list of bullet points here.

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"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

Suppose we had a serial labor acceleration of X, as in employees go X times faster and also increased experiment compute by X. Then AI R&D progress would go X times faster.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

I mean instantaneous progress, putting aside diminishing returns to research effort.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

Equivalently, the research effort per unit time would go up by x. This is also putting aside parallel compute being worse than serially faster compute, though I think this doesn't make a huge difference in practice.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

So, production is some function of serial labor acceleration and experiment compute.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

We're uncertain about the exact function between something more like a CES model and a Cobb-Douglas production function.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

I happen to think it's more like Cobb-Douglas than CES for reasons I discuss here.

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"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

I tend to think the functional form for just AI R&D progress, like algorithmic progress, is like serial underscore labor underscore acceleration caret 0.55 asterisk compute caret 0.45.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

It might be pretty different as you start growing these values by orders of magnitude, especially if it's very CES-like, but at least if we're talking about less than 30x increases to these variables, I think it's something like this.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

I'm uncertain about the exact constants.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"If Mythos actually made Anthropic employees 4x more productive, I would radically shorten my timelines" by ryan_greenblatt

Serial underscore labor underscore acceleration caret 0.7 asterisk compute caret 0.3 and serial underscore labor underscore acceleration caret 0.3 asterisk compute caret 0.7 are somewhat plausible and make a pretty big difference to the bottom line.