Ryan Grim

under Biden was there was just no enforcement once people were inside of the country.

You look at the data, deportations inside of the country, interior enforcement.

In Obama's first term, it was like 200,000 a year.

Then by Trump's first term, it was like 100,000.

Then by Biden's term, it was 50,000.

Basically, once you get into the country,

You don't get deported.

So, you know, there's like debates about this that, oh, a lot of people were deported at the border inside of the country.

Not so much.

And the problem with that is you get this insane backlog of asylum claimants.

And that hurts actual asylees because you have so many economic migrants crowding out people with legitimate claims.

And so my perspective is there needs to be limits.

I consider myself a social Democrat, an old school social Democrat.

And in the olden days, social Democrats were more restrictive on immigration.

You're more of an AMLO.

Yeah, not because immigrants are bad or anything like that.

It's just there needs to be limits to these things.

Just like you want to have controls on capital, there needs to be limits on immigration, thoughtfully.

And the same thing with deportation.

A critique I would have of what I've seen now under Trump is you just have this deliberate abuse, what I find to be gratuitously sadistic policies.