Ryan Holiday

So I like it better.

For me, the tour stuff is much more about not being chosen but choosing, if that makes sense.

Yeah, sure.

Like, there is something weird about, like, why are you going to X, Y, or Z?

It's like, well, somebody asked.

Yeah, somebody asked.

And so you sort of get to this place in your career, and then you're just like...

probably like an actor just sitting around waiting to be asked to go to a certain place to do it on certain terms yeah and it just occurred to me that like it would be much cooler to be like like Samantha wanted to do a road trip on the west coast so I was like well why don't I just tell the promoter that we'd like to do that we were planning on doing this so the real story is Sam wants to do something it's more like hey I want to be in this area yeah so like

Well, why don't I just work while I'm there?

Right.

And then, you know, you actually get to like talk to real people that chose to be there as opposed to like, I work here.

Yeah.

Or just like, wait, why is this?

Like, you know, you do enough things at like 9 a.m.

in Las Vegas.

Yeah.

And you just, you're like, oh, not only am I getting up there to talk about an obscure school of ancient philosophy, but I'm doing it to people under duress.

The sports one, you think sports is going to be this crazy cool audience.

And then you're like, they got into sports to not have to go to meetings.

To meetings, yes.