Ryan Holiday

But that's not what most meetings are or what most people do.

What people want to do is sit down extemporaneously and bullshit about it and then act like what is happening is...

in any way educational or informative.

I've been riffing about this a little bit.

You might appreciate this.

I think this is a fundamental problem with podcasting as a medium.

Like you were just talking about how you do, you read the thing, you do prep, you know what you're trying to get.

It's not that you have a script, but you're like, these are the things I want to talk about.

These are the directions we can go.

These are things I want to learn.

So that is very different than, you know, when you're pulling up these two comedians or this comedian who's interviewing this public health expert or whatever, who knows nothing about the thing.

And then the two people are just pulling out of their ass their knee jerk opinions.

Mm hmm.

And then that feels to you, because they're smart, they're good at talking, that feels to you like you're learning, and really you're just watching a meeting.

No, no, I think that's exactly right.

And to me, a bit of evidence of wisdom is knowing the value of time, your own and other people's.

I just think sometimes we just get distracted by things that look or feel like thinking or look and feel like they have some kind of intellectual rigor to them.

And actually, they're bullshit.

Like one of the things I talk a lot about in the book is just how easy it is to fall prey to cognitive biases, how easy it is to get led down the garden path, as they say, or just to sort of mistake something because it appeals to you emotionally with

fact or information.